Archive for April, 2012

A Comment and a Question for Calvinists

First of all the comment:

I believe God gave us the choice to choose. We had no choice in the matter. Additionally, While God gave us the choice to choose, He did not give us the choice to choose the consequences of our choices. He reserved that for Himself.

God in His sovereignty chose to make us sovereign over our own choices so that He could make provisions for those who made the chose to choose Him!

Just had glory bumps come over me! Happy Easter to all! (Here I do mean ALL… not just the elect.)

Here is my question:

Every Calvinist I know considers themselves among the “elect.” I do not think I have ever heard from a lost person who was a calvinist. I know a LOT of folks who claim to be Christians that might well be lost but no calvinists. While that is an interesting observation, my question has to do with the children of calvinists and effectual calling and irrestible grace and limited atonement. I think it is fair to say that the majority of people in the world are lost and not saved. I would say most Christians, calvinist and non-calvinist a like would agree with that statement. So, for the calvinist, this is simply the result of God’s eternal decrees.

Here is my question. Let’s say as a Calvinist you have 4 children. God is completely just in giving His grace to whom He wills. Let’s say one of your four children is predestined for glory. There is NO HOPE for the other three. Would that cause you to see Calvinism in a different light?

Here is the reason I ask this question. When I see discussions about God being just in the damnation of the non-elect, “they” get what “they” deserve I realized something; I have never read a calvinist saying, “I will get what I deserve.” It is as if God’s grace is theirs and their family and the “they” that get what “they” deserve always refers to someone one else. I thought that was an interesting observation.

Any feed back there?


An Argument for or Against Calvinism

One could make a strong argument that there is a real problem with the Calvinist’s position on soteriology: if God and God alone saves the elect and He and He alone is responsible for all who are saved, then why is it that so few in our world are actually saved? It would be difficult to even venture to guess what the percentage of Christians is in the US today much less the percentage of the population of the world might be. If one were to go back even 25 years when satellite television and the internet were just beginning to make a mark in the communications explosion, evangelism opportunities and the proclamation of the gospel message were not as easily available then as they are today. It would appear that the percentage of the world’s population that has heard about Christ and has had an opportunity to respond to the good news of Jesus is at least greater today than it has been at any time in the history of the world. With this in mind, while a very small number of people around the world are Christian, that number must be significantly greater today than in any generation before. So, if God is responsible for every person who will spend eternity in heaven as the Calvinist contends, then why is this number or percentage of the world’s population so pitifully poor?

Here is another question that seriously challenges irresistible grace and limited atonement and unconditional election: if God and God alone saves the elect and He and He alone is responsible for all who are saved, why are our churches are so weak and why are there so few in our churches who are committed to walking with God as He would have them walk? Some have argued that many on the average church roll are not even saved and there is no debating the fact that a vast majority of those on the church rolls (who may be saved) show very little commitment to God or His church. If God and God alone regenerates individuals and those and only those are truly born again, then something is terribly wrong because God does not fail in anything He does. If His grace is efficacious as Calvinists’ contend, God’s sovereignty in salvation is certainly subject to challenge as its effect is obviously suspect in the lives of those He supposedly has efficaciously called to be His people. Because God has made Jesus BOTH SAVIOR AND LORD, He cannot make Jesus one without making Him both, if He is the One who is solely responsible for this conversion process in the first place. Since this is not the case, it has to cast doubt on the exent of God’s involvement in this process as posited by the Calvinist’s position.

If on the other hand, salvation is a choice made by individuals who have been convicted of their sin and are responsible for their own choice, the whole scenario changes. If God in His sovereignty chose to make man sovereign over his choices and responsible for those choices, then the lack of spiritual commitment in the body is explainable as well as the lack of evangelistic fervor in our world. While there is no question about the importance of one’s responsibility to walk with God and be involved in evangelism in the Calvinist platform, the lack of either hardly limits God’s ability to do what He intended to do from the foundation of the world where conversion and salvation are concerned. The fact that neither, conversion nor sanctification is as pronounced as one would expect it to be in the world or even in America, a “God fearing” society, would seem to be an argument against the tents of Calvinism as opposed to an argument in support for it.